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Summary (Overview)
- Core finding: Approximately 90% of Muon's scaled weight decay (Muon-SW) advantage over constant decoupled weight decay disappears when both methods are jointly tuned for learning rate (LR) and weight decay (WD) through their product.
- Residual advantage: A small but real advantage (0.0026 BPB at smallest scale, 95% CI [0.0018, 0.0034]) remains after tuning, with all four paired seeds favoring Muon-SW.
- Scale dependence: The surviving advantage grows with model size—from ~10% to 21% of the untuned gap across an 8× range of active parameters (1.9M to 15M).
- Optimal hyperparameter drift: The optimal LR·WD product increases with scale for both methods, faster for Muon-SW (ratio 1.40 → 1.91), meaning baselines tuned at small scale become increasingly mis-tuned at larger scales.
- Practical significance: At small scale, tuning constant decay's LR·WD product captures most of Muon-SW's benefit; the untuned comparison overstates gains roughly tenfold.
Introduction and Theoretical Foundation
Background and Motivation
New optimizer variants are typically evaluated by training a model with the variant and a baseline at one shared hyperparameter setting. This creates a tuning gap problem: when a variant changes how strongly a hyperparameter acts (as a weight-decay schedule does), the shared setting may be well-tuned for one method but poorly tuned for the other.
The concern is particularly acute for weight decay because:
- Its effect is coupled to the learning rate through their product (Loshchilov and Hutter, 2019; Kosson et al., 2023)
- Its optimum moves with model and data size (Wang and Aitchison, 2024)
Theoretical Foundation
Muon (Jordan et al., 2024) is an optimizer used for hidden-layer matrices of large language models, including the 2.8T parameter MAI-Base-2. Muon-SW (Apte, 2026) scales Muon's weight-decay coefficient over training, reporting gains over constant decay.
The MAI-Base-2 protocol enables cleaner testing through two practices:
- Joint LR·WD tuning: Sweeping hyperparameters on a grid in (LR, LR·WD) because good settings lie on a narrow diagonal of the (LR, WD) plane
- Source scaling: Comparing models on a scaling ladder with fixed tokens per active parameter (TPP), keeping data repetition fixed across rungs
Key quantities:
- Untuned gap = constant-decay BPB − Muon-SW BPB at p = 1
- Tuned gap = difference between methods' tuned BPB
- Survival = tuned gap / untuned gap
Methodology
Methods Compared
Both methods use Muon for non-embedding 2D parameters and AdamW for all other parameters:
- Constant decay: Applies decoupled weight decay with fixed coefficient λ: θ ← θ(1 − η_t λ)
- Muon-SW: Multiplies the coefficient at step t by s(t) = η_t/η_max = f(t), so decay is applied at full strength at peak LR and weakens as LR anneals: θ ← θ(1 − η²_t λ/η_max)
The ratio of total decay applied by Muon-SW to constant decay over a run is:
- Under cosine schedule:
- Under WSD schedule:
Joint LR·WD Tuning Protocol
Following MAI-Base-2, each rung has a law-predicted LR η₀ and product (ηλ)₀. Runs use:
- L3: Full 2D grid (m_η ∈ {0.5, 1, 2}, p on factor-of-2 grid), 2D quadratic fit per method
- L4 and L6: 1D sweep of p at m_η = 1, 1D quadratic fit in log₂p
Preregistered Hypotheses for Ratio of Optima
Three predictions for r = p_SW / p_const:
| Hypothesis | Prediction | Rationale |
|---|---|---|
| H_none | r = 1 | Schedule doesn't change optimal product |
| H_int | r = 1/ (1.364 cosine, 1.046 WSD) | Optimum matches total decay applied |
| H_end | r = 10 | Optimum matches final-step coefficient |
Ladder, Data and Training
- Three rungs: L3 (1.89M active), L4 (3.89M active), L6 (15.04M active parameters)
- Data: FineWeb-Edu (60%), CodeParrot-clean (25%), OpenWebMath (15%); 8,192-token byte-level BPE tokenizer
- Training: 120 tokens per active parameter; source scaling holds data repetition fixed (web seen once, code/math four times)
- Metric: Held-out bits per byte (BPB), pooled over three sources
- Compute: Single NVIDIA T4 GPU with pre-emption-safe pipeline (checkpointing every 15 minutes)
Empirical Validation / Results
Main Results
Table 1: Main Results Across Rungs
| Rung | Active (M) | Untuned gap | Tuned gap | Survival | p*_const | p*_SW | Ratio | Seeds |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| L3 | 1.89 | 0.03499 | 0.00359 | 10.3% | 0.192 | 0.269 | 1.40 | 4 |
| L4 | 3.89 | 0.03105 | 0.00403 | 13.0% | 0.253 | 0.414† | 1.63 | 1 |
| L6 | 15.04 | 0.02407 | 0.00514 | 21.3% | 0.331† | 0.631† | 1.91 | 1 |
| L3 full 2D | 1.89 | 0.03499 | 0.00261 | 7.4% | 0.186 | 0.260 | 1.41 | 4 |
†Fitted optimum lies outside sampled range; †tuned gap 95% CI [0.00183, 0.00338]; Muon-SW better on 4/4 seeds
Key Findings
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Untuned comparison: Muon-SW wins by 0.035 BPB at shared setting (1.52× compute saving), reproducing reported gains.
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After joint tuning: Gap collapses to 0.0026 BPB (7.4% survival in 2D analysis, 10.3% in 1D slice), a 1.03× saving—about 90% of advantage disappears.
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Residual is real: All four paired seeds favor Muon-SW at L3 tuned optima; 95% CI excludes zero but doesn't clear the 0.002 BPB practical significance threshold.
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Scale trend: Untuned gap shrinks (0.0350 → 0.0311 → 0.0241) while tuned gap grows (0.0036 → 0.0040 → 0.0051); survival rises from ~10% to 21% over 8× range.
Hypothesis Testing Results
Table 2: Ratio of Optimal LR·WD Products at L3
| Schedule | Measured ratio | 95% CI | Consistent with | Closest |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| cosine | 1.41 | [0.88, 2.25] | H_none, H_int | H_int |
| WSD | 0.29 | [0.19, 0.43] | none | (H_none) |
Under cosine, data are consistent with no change and with matched integrated decay; endpoint matching (H_end, r = 10) is ruled out. Under WSD, the ratio falls below every prediction—an unresolved anomaly.
Extrapolation Test
Extrapolating L3–L4 optima to L6 predicts multipliers of 0.44 (constant) and 0.95 (Muon-SW), vs. fitted values of 0.33 and 0.63. Using predicted values costs 0.0014 and 0.0020 BPB respectively—comparable to the tuned gap itself.
Theoretical and Practical Implications
For Optimizer Comparison Methodology
- Tuning gap is pervasive: Optimizer comparisons that hold LR·WD product fixed overstate gains roughly tenfold in this setting
- Scale matters for tuning: The optimal LR·WD product moves with scale (faster for Muon-SW), so baselines tuned at small scale become increasingly mis-tuned at larger scales
- Direction of error depends on method: Constant decay is more penalized by over-large product, explaining why untuned gaps shrink with scale
For Muon-SW Adoption
- At small scale, tuning constant decay's LR·WD product captures most of Muon-SW's benefit
- At larger scales, Muon-SW shows a small genuine improvement whose importance grows with size
- The data are consistent with Muon-SW being a real but modest improvement, not the dramatic gain reported in untuned comparisons
Practical Recommendations
Practitioners should:
- Tune the baseline at every scale reported in optimizer comparisons
- Use tuned comparisons at the target scale when making claims about scaled weight decay
- Be aware that LR·WD product optima move with scale and differ between methods
Conclusion
Most of Muon-SW's reported advantage is a tuning gap: when constant decay's LR·WD product is tuned as carefully as the method's, about 90% of the gain disappears at small scale. What remains is small but consistent, growing from about 10% to 21% of the untuned gap across an 8× range of active parameters, while the optimal products of the two methods move apart.
Key takeaways:
- Optimizer comparisons should tune the baseline at every scale they report
- Claims about scaled weight decay should be made from tuned comparisons at the target scale
- The residual advantage of Muon-SW grows with scale, warranting further investigation at production scales
Future directions: The WSD anomaly (ratio 0.29, below all predictions) remains unresolved and may reflect an interaction between the long constant-LR phase of WSD and the decay schedule. The planned L9 rung (51M active) was not run for compute reasons; extrapolating the growth of the residual beyond L6 is not supported by the data.
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